Hello Dick – I am pleased to have found this fantastic resource. My particular interest is club fixtures during the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, prior to the league set-up. I am currently looking at the 1975-76 season. The Gloucester fixtures are listed in the Gloucester v Lydney programme. I was wondering if you are able to pdf scan the Bristol fixtures from the Bristol v Gloucester programme? In fact, any clubs’ fixtures from the 1975-76 season would be appreciated. Finally, whilst ‘Googling’, I came across an article which stated that Gloucester were in an Anglo-Welsh merit table during the mid 1970s. Do you or any of your colleagues have any information regarding this merit table? Here is the link for the article – http://www.sportcentric.com/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4796-124720-126027-16912-0-file,00.pdf Thank you for your time. Regards Lee Hurst
By Lee Hurst (20/01/2010)
Hello Lee – Dick has passed on your comment on Merit Tables to me. Bear in mind, though, that this is purely from memory! The Sunday Telegraph ran an Anglo Welsh Merit Table in the 60s, 70s and early 80s. It was ranked on a percentage basis including only matches between participating clubs. It only involved those clubs with a strong English/Welsh fixture list. I think the English clubs were Bath, Blackheath, Bristol, Coventry, Gloucester, Harlequins, Leicester, London Welsh, Moseley, Northampton and Richmond and possibly Rosslyn Park and London Scottish. The Welsh clubs included Cardiff, Swansea, Llanelli, Newport, Bridgend, Pontypool, Pontypridd, Aberavon and Neath. There was also an English Table which included those English clubs and also Cheltenham, Nottingham, London Irish, Saracens and Wasps whose fixture lists were more limited. Later there was a third table for Northern clubs which included Gosforth (now Newcastle), Headingley (now Leeds), Sale, Waterloo, Liverpool etc.
By John Theyers (20/01/2010)
Hello John Many thanks for your response. Yes, I was aware of the Sunday Telegraph tables. There were five eventually – English-Welsh, English, Welsh, Northern and South-West. As you say, only matches between participating clubs were counted. The Welsh table differed from the Western Mail Welsh Club Championship, which included all matches of a sufficient standard. The South-West table did not include the ‘Big Three’ – Bath, Bristol and Gloucester, nor some others – Lydney and Stroud, for example. I was referring to a different table, which may or may not have started. I have done some ‘digging’ and found some information from the Times archive during the mid 1970s. If you would like me to send scans, please let me know. If you are happy for me to reply by email, please let me know your address. Regards Lee
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Hello Dick – I am pleased to have found this fantastic resource. My particular interest is club fixtures during the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, prior to the league set-up. I am currently looking at the 1975-76 season. The Gloucester fixtures are listed in the Gloucester v Lydney programme. I was wondering if you are able to pdf scan the Bristol fixtures from the Bristol v Gloucester programme? In fact, any clubs’ fixtures from the 1975-76 season would be appreciated. Finally, whilst ‘Googling’, I came across an article which stated that Gloucester were in an Anglo-Welsh merit table during the mid 1970s. Do you or any of your colleagues have any information regarding this merit table? Here is the link for the article – http://www.sportcentric.com/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4796-124720-126027-16912-0-file,00.pdf Thank you for your time. Regards Lee Hurst
Hello Lee – Dick has passed on your comment on Merit Tables to me. Bear in mind, though, that this is purely from memory! The Sunday Telegraph ran an Anglo Welsh Merit Table in the 60s, 70s and early 80s. It was ranked on a percentage basis including only matches between participating clubs. It only involved those clubs with a strong English/Welsh fixture list. I think the English clubs were Bath, Blackheath, Bristol, Coventry, Gloucester, Harlequins, Leicester, London Welsh, Moseley, Northampton and Richmond and possibly Rosslyn Park and London Scottish. The Welsh clubs included Cardiff, Swansea, Llanelli, Newport, Bridgend, Pontypool, Pontypridd, Aberavon and Neath. There was also an English Table which included those English clubs and also Cheltenham, Nottingham, London Irish, Saracens and Wasps whose fixture lists were more limited. Later there was a third table for Northern clubs which included Gosforth (now Newcastle), Headingley (now Leeds), Sale, Waterloo, Liverpool etc.
Hello John Many thanks for your response. Yes, I was aware of the Sunday Telegraph tables. There were five eventually – English-Welsh, English, Welsh, Northern and South-West. As you say, only matches between participating clubs were counted. The Welsh table differed from the Western Mail Welsh Club Championship, which included all matches of a sufficient standard. The South-West table did not include the ‘Big Three’ – Bath, Bristol and Gloucester, nor some others – Lydney and Stroud, for example. I was referring to a different table, which may or may not have started. I have done some ‘digging’ and found some information from the Times archive during the mid 1970s. If you would like me to send scans, please let me know. If you are happy for me to reply by email, please let me know your address. Regards Lee
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